From the house with Jim Johnson. He wanted 8, I wanted < 5 and we ended up with 8.2. Freshly graded roads made the run nice and soft. Wore the new-to-me Hoka Cliftons and they were perfect - light but a good amount of cushion. I have the Bondi 3 which are too heavy but have a bit more cushion and the Mufate Speeds which are a mess of a shoe so I'm happy to have found the right one for everyday running.